and the new 160 will run upto 180mm

 Baz/Shoe - u got mail.

 Spence - check with Al tomorrow

 no problem fella. sometimes comments can get outa control on these forums......

 Hello Dave. Its not about cutting costs - that kind of weld wouldn’t cost anything in the grand scheme of putting a frame together. Depending on the batch there were different weld paths. Some are welded fully (all the way round), some are welded with only a return on the backside. Both are fine although I would argue the fully round weld looks better lol.

The team are split between these back ends, again depending on when their frames came of the production line - cos as you know we use 100% stock frames, just paint them speedy red.

And you ask what happens if they break and its easy for sponsored riders ect. Its easy for any customer to contact either Saracen or Madison customer care and as with every post 2009 Saracen bike we'll help sort it quickly and efficiently.

Cheers
Wildman (Saracen)